I was having a conversation with a person who has been in the reloading game a long time. I have done all my bpcr shooting4570, 34 shilo using 20. Swaging also allows the bullet to have a desired base design, rather than flat. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load. Sharps 45 70 and have been loading various bp and smokeless rounds to get a feel of what may work well in the rifle. But very interested how it compared to lubed bullet. Armys springfield armory for use in the springfield model 1873, which is known to collectors as the trapdoor springfield. I load paper patch bullets mostly for leveraction rifles. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45120 aka 45.
Good morning, first off, i wouldnt recommend paper patch at all unless you can get with one of these guys here that have figured it all out to help you. You can also watch as the paper patch comes off the bullet between the muzzle at 00. A beginners guide to loading and shooting paper patched bullets for early black powder cartridge rifles. Paper patched bullets a blast from the past sporting shooters. Youll only need enough lube to cover the paper patch. In his march 1977 article paper patched bullets come of age, harrison provides a few rules for the shooter using a paper patch to obtain top velocities with poured slugs. I would like to try some paper patched bullets as well. There are many ways to patch bullets, smooth bullets are by far the most common and historical way.
Everything seemed to work great except i think i have the patch riding too high up on the bullet nose on the lee 457340 395 gr 2 cavity mold. The diameter of the cast slick and the thickness of the patching paper are at least a bit. We describe another method to economically and simply custom fit the bullet to your rifle bore to make your military surplus rifle shoot. Dec 28, 2005 i just got all the goodies to make my first pp rounds for my 45 120. Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead. This is a discussion on paper patching 4570 within the lever action forums, part of the gun forum category. The new cartridge was a replacement for the stopgap. Yep that is correct and hollow base bullets where used so that the hollow base would obturate blow out and fill the bore when fired. Mould blocks are made from durabar 65 45 12 extruded fine grain ductile iron. Sources indicate the sharps rifle company offered a variety of bullets in this caliber, including a 293 grain express, a 400 grain grooved bullet and paper patched bullets in 400, 420, 500 and 550 grains. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45 120 aka 45 110.
This is my go to boolit in my browning 1885 45 70 in black powder but now im experimenting with paper patching and using unique as a. Craig straight shooting, straight talkthe mark of a man. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed. Using black powder is now big deal, i have it, know how to use it, and know it works fine with paper patched bullets, but can i use smokeless powder with paper patched bullets as well. Paper patches can be used to make slightly undersized bullets fit a gun with. In addition, i have paul mathews, the paper jacket on the way from amazon.
I do not know who owns this rifle today, but in dan was very happy with it. Mass produced bullet molds are designed with very conservative, minimal dimensions north of the crimp groove, so that they will chamber in the great variety of firearms out there. Bullet diameter for 4570 paper patched cartridge shiloh. Paper patch bullets were used in the 1800s for target shooting and hunting and are still being used today. Paper patched or lubricated lead bullets can be swaged in two basic styles, the swc shoulder style shown here, and the smooth ogive style shown below.
Paper patched bullets have no lube grooves like a conventional lead bullet. Three hardened dowel pins provide positive alignment in both vertical and horizontal planes. In my own tests of bullet hardness, alloys as soft and ductile as 5 bhn roof flashing and as hard as 20 bhn heattreated range scrap were utilized. Any input, positive negative neutral would be much appreciated. This is my go to boolit in my browning 1885 45 70 in black powder but now im experimenting with paper patching and using unique as a powder charge. Winchester metal patched 110 grain super speed bullets for 30 w. Making fullvelocity, soft cast lead, paper patched bullets. I have access to an original springfield trapdoor rifle. Buffalo arms company sells over 12000 black powder cartridge rifles. Sep 30, 2008 and also just finished reading paul matthews book, forty years with the. Corbin paper patch and blackpowder bullet swagingreloading.
Paper patch bullet d reamer and shop made casting mold. I just ordered a perdesoli 1874 sharps snipe rifle. Does anybody know anything about paper patched bullets for 45 70. My first attempt at paper patching 45 70 cast lead bullets and i met with a slight issue. He told me that in his younger days they would take 255 grain lead flat point bullets for the 45 colt pistol and paper patch them to use in the 45 70 because one of the guys had a bullet mold for them and between them the. Gunbroker is the largest seller of reloading supplies ammunition reloading all. Disadvantages became evident as loadings shifted to. He states that the paper patched bullet is the ultimate in hunting bullets. Many folks cast with pure lead so the bullet will bumpup. Teflon tape seems to work better as a lube and insulator on a full diameter bullet than as a patch on a land diameter bullet. These molds are designed to fit lee six cavity handles. Because the 45 70 chambering was never intended for use with paper patched bullets, chamber design does not suffer the limitations that chambers for many other surviving cartridges of the same era do refer to my treatise on the 3855 wcf.
I plan to try paper patching some hollow base lead bullets designed for the 45 70 round and shooting them in my martini henry carbine. This is a discussion on paper patching 45 70 within the lever action forums, part of the gun forum category. There is a direct relationship between the bullet casting alloy, the final diameter of the cast slick bullet, the thickness of the patching paper, and how the paper is wrapped on the bullet. Mar 31, 2008 a 10twist, 38 70 was also tested with pp bullets. Mar 22, 2015 i shoot a 4590 pedersoli sharps and i always wanted to go the paper patch route but i dont have the skill or equipment you have. Dad is experimenting with bore diameter bullet after patching and black powder. Corbin paper patchblackpower bullet tools corbin swaging. Paul matthews hdldr 1990 bullet making annual paper patching the. You can expect 45 caliber ppbs to expand to near silver dollar size and the 40. Has anyone paper patched these bullets 200 grains to 230. Paper patch supplies, paper patch templates, paper patch paper, lead bullets, paper patch bullets. May 17, 2016 you can clearly see the paper patch leaves the barrel intact around the bullet at 00.
I also wipe my own loaded cartridges with a paper towel before boxing, to prevent dust and dirt from accumulating on the bullet. Paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. North american muzzleloader hunting shares a couple of ways to patch lead bullets and the papers that works best. And these days 45 70 bullets are paper patched to fit the martinis larger. After receiving one of my first paychecks, i drove to morris watch shop in milton, west virginia, and spent most of it on two rifles. In my opinion, paper patched bullets was a kind of fashion in the early black powder cartridge era, and they were not necessarily better compared to grease grooved bullets.
So far the rifle enjoys these bullets as they shoot great. Swaging, rather than casting, became a preferred manufacturing technique during the 19th century industrial revolution. I am impressed with the way you shipped the bullets all bullets in individual holes. A pp bullet simply has straight sides and the bullet is wrapped with a very thin sheet of paper.
The chamber is of my standard greasegroove design with no freebore and 3 degrees per side leade angle. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load data. Hunting with paper patch bullets in sharps 45 120 aka 45 110 by tom ball. Im thinking about trying paper patched bullets in a pedersoli john bodine 45 70. They say the best things in life are free so i suppose free advice is one of the best things theres a logic flaw there somewhere but im too tired to pursue it. Sharps rifles i have use custom chambers and they shoot very well using patched to bore bullets and seth cole 8 lb paper which is quite thin. You can clearly see the paper patch leaves the barrel intact around the bullet at 00. I have cast 400 and 500 grain bullets and will be using vellum to patch the bullets. My 21year old son eric and i drew cow elk tags as our second choice in our favorite hunt unit in the bighorn basin of wyoming.
I have heard of using bore size bullets and i have also heard of using smaller than bore bullets, hopefully one of these guys here will kick in some help. Heavy sprue cutter plate precision ground both sides. My father shoots paper patch bullets in several rifles and for his browning hiwall. The paper rides on top of the lands of the barrel, keeping lead fouling to zero and in many ways imparting accuracy that lube grooved bullets might have a hard time duplicating.
Best accuracy is usually accomplished with a much closer. I have a 45 70 sharps rifle and just recently received my order of 500 grain spire point bullets. Here are the benefits of shooting paper patched bullets in your inline. It was also known as the 4570 sharps, but it was dimensionally identical to the military round. The use of paper patched bullets is especially known from the buffalo hunts on the american prairies where millions of the shaggy beasts fell for paper patched bullets. If you use my paper patch lube, make sure that it is as soft as butter when you apply it. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paper patched conical bullets. I cast about 100 bullets last weekend and i need to size them down to a diameter that will allow them to be pressed into the brass. Paper patched bullets are still available, and some blackpowder shooters still roll their own paper patched bullets for hunting and competitive shooting. This article is intended for shooters who are currently loading lubed bullets with either black powder. Bullet size and paper size to add up to the right diameter. If you do a normal job fitting bullets and alloy, expect bullets that fit a 45 70 and the 400 gr bullet is the weight the 45 70 was designed for, so stay near that too.